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This may be the dumbest argument ever on this website.
The fact that any Christians think your still married to someone after you get a divorce shows how mentally ill religious dogma can make an individual.
If divorce is a sin, doesn't that imply that marriage is intended to be a permanent state? Otherwise, where is the sin?'
'If Jesus doesn't care if you get divorceed, why would he care if someone else causes you to get divorced?'
I don't think I ever said that, I said he thought causing a divorce was a sin. I think he thought marriage was meant to be permanent but that sin could render it not so.
' By religious reasoning, homosexuality is considered unforgivable because it is a permanent state of sin, so they shouldn't be allowed to be married.'
I personally, even if you buy into homosexuality being a sin, would see it as only being an individual act no different than lying, stealing, etc. So I'm not really the one to argue this point. I don't buy the 'sinful lifestyle, people are people. People make mistakes. Same for people shacked up.
If he's not committing it [adultery] with the current wife he is not sinning.
'you've still admittted that he's committing adultery against his first spouse.'
No, in Greek the sentence is passive, he COMMITTED adultery against his first wife by getting a divorce, an act of unfaithfulness. One time thing. If you kill someone you don't keep on killing them. He killed a marriage. The adultery is against that spouse. Not WITH the new spouse which you alluded to above.
'I can't see how you're not forever an adulterer living in a permanent state of sin.'
How do you get this? Is your dad still married to his first wife? If not who is he committing adultery with? You just said above something different. If your not sinning by being married as you mentioned above, how are you possibly forever an adulterer for a single act in your past? How can you forever commit adultery when your no longer married to that individual. More importantly how did your dad getting a divorce make his exwife an adulterous? It's silly.
Luke 16:15-18 (NKJ) And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God... Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery."
Mat 5:31-32 (NAS) "It was said, 'Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
1Cor 7:10-15,27,39 (NIV) To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife....Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife... A wife is bound as long as her husband lives. But if the husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, only in the Lord.
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For those unmarried, or married and considering divorce, God has made plain that marriage is a once in a lifetime deal. Because our "hearts are hard" (and whose is not?) God in His mercy does allow for divorce--even though He "hates it".
Mal 2:16a (NIV) "I hate divorce," says the Lord...
While God "hates divorce", He allows it--if but once. For the teaching of Scripture is clear enough: one chance, and if you make a mistake and feel you must divorce, then you only will have two options within God's will:
1) be "reconciled" with your "one flesh" later, or
2) live as a single person
...otherwise you are committing adultery with whomever you "remarry".
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Rom 7:1-3 (NAS) Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then if, while her husband is living, she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress, though she is joined to another man.
So essentially you've created another unpardonable sin. Forget murder, child molestation, stealing, etc just don't fall in love and marry or it's another unpardonable sin? Doesn't make sense even theologically when the bible is at least clear there is only one of those.
By your twisted version your dad would have to still be married to his first wife and his current wife at the same time. A practice not legal in my state. Reality is where the rubber meets the road. It's impossible for 2 married people to commit adultery with each other.
3.they think people who have good productive second/third whatever should actually get divorced(although I've never heard of it in the real world) so they become prodivorce and antifamily.....
I personally wouldn't want to attend a church who had a pastor who thought like yours, the real world pain caused by such dogma is very real. It's one this to discuss ideas on a message board but imagine the pain someone reading your previous message may feel if they suffered a bad marriage and now have a good one. It's simply an inhuman belief.
I know women who have been beaten nearly to death by their former husbands, men whose wives have had affairs and left, people who just grow apart, marriages brought about by pregnancy, etc. To think these people have to stay or go back to these scenarios AND then to presume to think that the presumed most moral individual ever(a man who always put people first) would tell them to get a divorce and return is quite simply monstrous and so are the pastors and churches who advocate such dogmas.
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Sorry to offend so many people, but I'm just reading the scripture and offering the explanation given to me by several SB ministers, okay. Truthfully, this is a religious argument and because I don't believe in that religion, I shouldn't be commenting on it. Go ahead, believe whatever you must.