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Friday, July 22, 2005

Mega Conference!

You really must read Jason Rosenhouse's reports on the 2005 Creation Mega Conference, Part 1 and Part 2 (with more to come). What struck me is the elaborate set up for presentations, with multiple projectors and video feeds of the speaker…yet it was considered impractical to allow time or microphones for questions. The blatant hucksterism, in which the speakers spend 5-15 minutes exhorting the audience to buy, buy, buy their books and tapes on sale in the hallway was also amusing.

Not so amusing is the simple-minded anti-intellectualism of the speakers. These are people who have turned stupidity and ignorance into virtues.

But what really bugged me about the talk was not the extreme shallowness of Kerby's thinking. No, I'm used to that. What bugged me were his incessant imprecations that we be humble before the glories of nature.

Humility? How dare these people talk about humility! You know what scientists do when confronted with nature's complexity? First they spend five years or more in graduate school, living in near-poverty, having no life, studying all the time while being used as cheap labor by the university, just to get a PhD. Then they go out into a job market that presents the very real possibility of unemployment as the reward for all that hard work. If they're lucky they'll land a post-doc, and bounce around the country for a while struggling to find a permanent position. Even if they are lucky enough to land a permanent position they could very well find themselves in some two by nothing town in the middle of nowhere. They spend years trying to get a research program off the ground, scrapping for grant money, and fighting with ornery referees to get their research published.

And why do they do that? They do it because they know that's what it takes if you want to understand nature's complexity just a little bit better. That's what it takes to make the tiniest dent in the sum total of human ignorance.

That's humility.

Hey! That's kind of personal…what is Jason doing talking about me?

Oh, actually, I guess that is a kind of generic description of the typical scientific career, isn't it.

One point Jason didn't make that is relevant to this, though, is that Falwell was pleased that they had 2,000 attendees at the conference. The last time I attended the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience, which was but one sub-discipline within biology and was attended almost exclusively by people at various points in that difficult career ladder described above, there were over 20,000 attendees (additional perspective: one Neuroscience meeting was hot on the heels of another meeting that was twice our size, and we had to struggle with all of those people trying to leave as we were coming in. It was some national convention of car dealerships). Curiously enough, though, small high-budget meetings of raving idiots like the Creation Mega Conference get much more attention than the larger, regular, and much more substantial meetings of scientific societies. I think that's part of the problem—scientists go off to these meetings thinking exclusively of meeting with their peers, and there isn't much effort made to appeal to the general public.

I believe the Mega Conference can be easily summed up by this quote from Carl Kerby:

Do not let evidence fuel your appreciation of God. Let your appreciation of God influence your view of the evidence.

Having seen that, I don't need to have attended this conference.


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Comments:
#32617: coturnix — 07/22  at  10:04 AM
Nice:
http://www.techcentralstation.com/072205B.html



#32620: coturnix — 07/22  at  10:05 AM
BTW, link to Part 2 gets you back to Pharyngula...



#32621: coturnix — 07/22  at  10:06 AM
Is this reporting from the same conference?

Part 1: http://www.reason.com/rb/rb071905.shtml
Part 2: http://www.reason.com/rb/rb072005.shtml



#32628: — 07/22  at  10:47 AM
Romanian geologist Dr. Emil Silvestru "debunks" the notion that the earth had existed for millions of years in his talk "Rocks Around the Clock: The Eons That Never Were." In place of the scientific view that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old Silvestru offers a six thousand year "young Earth" chronology:


Creation—six 24-hour days
Lost World—1700 years—no big mountains, no plate tectonics
Flood—370 days—creation of high mountains, deep oceans, sedimentary rocks, plate tectonics form continents
Ice Age—1000 years
Post Ice Age—3000 years and counting.

Fossils are explained by Flood hydrology which covered over billions of animals and plants during the global inundation.


Holy smokes.. When people said they thought the world was less than 6 thousand years old, I didn't think they were serious :/

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#32631: Evil Monkey — 07/22  at  11:11 AM
Hey baby, I think we're waaaaay past 20,000 at SfN's annual meeting. Dig it.

By the way, you going this year? We should meet up for a drink or something, if we both have the time.



#32639: — 07/22  at  12:12 PM
Techcentralstations piece about the amount of tests (millions of man hours) that evolution has passed is nice.

I don't like the start and end though. Turner begins with an analysis of a debate and concludes that aggressive evolutionists often had atheism as hidden agenda.

While that may be true, I don't see a conflict here. The lies about evolution is a beginning of total denial of science. (As in the Wedge manifest, whether it is explicitely used or not.) Which is why one must react. Atheism may be totally orthogonal to that reaction, but since the attacks are mainly by religious groups it will be drawn into this and expressed.

At the end, Turner wants to turn tables and start questioning religions. That is probably hard, unnecessary and contraproductive.



#32640: — 07/22  at  12:16 PM
"Do not let evidence fuel your appreciation of God. Let your appreciation of God influence your view of the evidence."

Wow, I didn't realize they were so blatant about it.



#32648: — 07/22  at  01:26 PM
I attended a creation conference (that featured an all-star cast that included luminaries like Duane Gish, Tim LaHaye, etc.) a couple of years ago. Duane and Co were treated like rock-stars -- during the breaks, people would line for their autographs and to have their pictures taken with them.

And of course, the merchandise. Tables piled high with books, tapes and CD's filled the church courtyard.

As for the presentations, they pretty much went like this:

"20-year-old Mt. St Helens lava was dated to 50,000 years. Therefore radiometric dating techniques are worthless. Buy my book. The Grand Canyon was carved by Noah's flood. Buy my book....."


But at least I didn't have to pay $150 to see it all!



#32670: jay denari — 07/22  at  09:14 PM
...there isn't much effort made to appeal to the general public

I agree. I'm not a scientist, just a literate layman, but I wish there were a lot more good science coverage in the media, Part of teh problem is that we have a government that is largely scientificially ignorant; one case in point is the fact that Bush II said a few years ago that the govt would support a stronger space program aiming to put people on Mars in the near future. But has he publicly promoted ANYTHING related to that since then? No.

There's almost no effort to reach out and educate people about how crucial science is, nor to "recruit" laymen interested in science as supporters of space, environmental and other future-oriented projects that essentially need public unity to succeed. But there's an incredible amount of outreach regarding divisive issues like abortion, creationism, the Rove scandal, etc., that keep us lunging at each other's throats.

Somehow, we need to rearrange our public priorities. I just wish I knew how...



#32684: — 07/23  at  07:26 AM
I think you should put this post in A Taste of Pharyngula, if only because of the long blockquoted part about humility and how hard it is to be a scientist.



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